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Delvin's SB5366

Postby Grumpy » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:07 am

Following is bill text. As some of the gang has ATV's, figured I best get this up. Please let the Senator's office know what you think! I have posted Jeri May's e-mail as well. Pretty sure the ATV bunch will be all over this. Apologies for not posting sooner!! Been sick as a dog, and haven't looked at the puter since early Sunday :oops:



S-0443.1 _____________________________________________
SENATE BILL 5366
_____________________________________________
State of Washington 62nd Legislature 2011 Regular Session
By Senators Delvin, Hewitt, and Stevens
Read first time 01/21/11. Referred to Committee on Transportation.
1 AN ACT Relating to authorizing the use of four-wheel, all-terrain
2 vehicles on public roadways under certain conditions; adding a new
3 section to chapter 46.61 RCW; and prescribing penalties.
4 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON:
5 NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. A new section is added to chapter 46.61 RCW
6 to read as follows:
7 (1) Except as provided in subsection (4) of this section, a person
8 may operate a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle upon a roadway of this
9 state having a speed limit of thirty-five miles per hour or less if:
10 (a) The person does not operate a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle
11 upon state highways that are listed in chapter 47.17 RCW;
12 (b) The person does not operate a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle
13 upon a roadway of this state without first having obtained and having
14 in full force and effect a current and proper vehicle registration and
15 display vehicle license plates in compliance with chapter 46.16A RCW;
16 (c) The person does not operate a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle
17 upon a roadway of this state without (i) first obtaining a valid
18 driver's license issued to Washington residents in compliance with
p. 1 SB 5366
1 chapter 46.20 RCW, or (ii) possessing a valid driver's license issued
2 by the state of the person's residence if the person is a nonresident;
3 (d) The person does not operate a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle
4 subject to registration under chapter 46.16A RCW on a roadway of this
5 state unless the person is insured under a motor vehicle liability
6 policy in compliance with chapter 46.30 RCW;
7 (e) The person operating a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle does not
8 cross a roadway with a speed limit in excess of thirty-five miles per
9 hour, unless the crossing begins and ends on a roadway with a speed
10 limit of thirty-five miles per hour or less and occurs at an
11 intersection of approximately ninety degrees, except that the operator
12 of a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle must not cross an uncontrolled
13 intersection of streets and highways that are part of the state highway
14 system subject to Title 47 RCW unless that intersection has been
15 authorized by local authorities under subsection (4) of this section;
16 and
17 (f) The person operating a four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle with a
18 solid rear axle does not operate the vehicle on a roadway that is paved
19 with concrete or asphalt.
20 (2) Any four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle operated under this section
21 must have a headlight, taillight, and brake light, and a mirror both on
22 the left and right handlebar.
23 (3) Any person who violates this section commits a traffic
24 infraction.
25 (4) This section does not prevent local authorities, with respect
26 to streets and highways under their jurisdiction and within the
27 reasonable exercise of their police power, from regulating the
28 operation of four-wheel, all-terrain vehicles on streets and highways
29 under their jurisdiction by resolution or ordinance of the governing
30 body, if the regulation is consistent with this title, except that:
31 (a) Local authorities may not authorize the operation of four-
32 wheel, all-terrain vehicles on streets and highways that are part of
33 the state highway system subject to Title 47 RCW; and
34 (b) Local authorities may not establish requirements for the
35 registration of four-wheel, all-terrain vehicles.
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SB 5366 p. 2


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Dave – hearing Wednesday on the bill. I suspect you won’t be able to cross the mountains to testify, but you can always voice your support via letter (and get other supporters to sign your letter) and we can give to members of the committee. Senator Delvin’s plan is to work the bill “as isâ€
Dave
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Originally Posted by Oregon80
-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.
-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby Grumpy » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:08 am

Committee hearing at 3:30 today...
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Originally Posted by Oregon80

-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.

-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby SPR » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:09 pm

I have many reservations concerning this Bill due to the high potential of irresponsible users and little available enforcement. I believe that this type of activity works o.k. in North Idaho because of the relatively low numbers of users per area. However, in Washington I suspect there is a high likelihood of hoards of quad users and negative interactions between quads and "cars" as well as quads and campers. There is a good reason why quads are not allowed on roads in the Umatilla and Wenatchee National Forest.

Hypothetical situation…

Say you and your family are tooling around in your rig as a licensed driver with liability insurance. All of a sudden a person on a quad smacks into you hard. This person never passed any operator’s test or has DOT approved tires legally drives their quad everywhere (as they do in rural parts of Idaho) because he/she has a suspended license and cannot afford liability insurance. What are your options… your rigs damaged, some of your family need medical attention, and you need a rental while your getting everyone fixed. This scenario also applies to liquorcycles currently running around Washington.
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Postby Grumpy » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:23 pm

Just the kind of comments he's looking for! Thanks, Steve. Hope you made the Eastside meeting!! I'm down with pneumonia since the weekend, and really not too up for much :oops:
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Originally Posted by Oregon80

-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.

-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby Grumpy » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:00 am

This is the current mess it's turned into :x




As if we didnt have enough to worry about

5366-S.E AMH TR H2303.1
By Representative Upthegrove
ESSB 5366 - H COMM AMD
By Committee on Transportation
1 Strike everything after the enacting clause and insert the
2 following:
3 "NEW SECTION. Sec. 1. A new section is added to chapter 46.09 RCW
4 to read as follows:
5 (1) Except as provided in subsection (5) of this section, a person
6 may operate a two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle upon a roadway of
7 this state having a speed limit of thirty-five miles per hour or less
8 if:
9 (a) The person does not operate a two or four-wheel, all-terrain
10 vehicle upon state highways that are listed in chapter 47.17 RCW;
11 (b) The person does not operate a two or four-wheel, all-terrain
12 vehicle upon a roadway of this state without first having obtained and
13 having in full force and effect a current and proper vehicle
14 registration and display vehicle license plates in compliance with
15 chapter 46.16A RCW;
16 (c) The person does not operate a two or four-wheel, all-terrain
17 vehicle upon a roadway of this state without (i) first obtaining a
18 valid driver's license issued to Washington residents in compliance
19 with chapter 46.20 RCW, or (ii) possessing a valid driver's license
20 issued by the state of the person's residence if the person is a
21 nonresident;
22 (d) The person does not operate a two or four-wheel, all-terrain
23 vehicle subject to registration under chapter 46.16A RCW on a roadway
24 of this state unless the person is insured under a motor vehicle
25 liability policy in compliance with chapter 46.30 RCW;
26 (e) The person operating a two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle
27 does not cross a roadway with a speed limit in excess of thirty-five
28 miles per hour, unless the crossing begins and ends on a roadway with
29 a speed limit of thirty-five miles per hour or less and occurs at an
30 intersection of approximately ninety degrees, except that the operator
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1 of a two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle must not cross an
2 uncontrolled intersection of streets and highways that are part of the
3 state highway system subject to Title 47 RCW unless that intersection
4 has been authorized by local authorities under subsection (5) of this
5 section; and
6 (f) The person operating a two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle
7 with a solid rear axle does not operate the vehicle on a roadway that
8 is paved with concrete or asphalt.
9 (2) A person who operates a two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle
10 under this section must pay a maximum of thirty-five dollars for the
11 annual vehicle license fee for the all-terrain vehicle.
12 (3) Any two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicle operated under this
13 section must have a headlight, taillight, and brake light, and a mirror
14 both on the left and right handlebar.
15 (4) Any person who violates this section commits a traffic
16 infraction.
17 (5) This section does not prevent local authorities, with respect
18 to streets and highways under their jurisdiction and within the
19 reasonable exercise of their police power, from regulating the
20 operation of two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicles on streets and
21 highways under their jurisdiction by resolution or ordinance of the
22 governing body, if the regulation is consistent with this title, except
23 that:
24 (a) Local authorities may not authorize the operation of two or
25 four-wheel, all-terrain vehicles on streets and highways that are part
26 of the state highway system subject to Title 47 RCW; and
27 (b) Local authorities may not establish requirements for the
28 registration of two or four-wheel, all-terrain vehicles.
29 Sec. 2. RCW 46.09.360 and 2006 c 212 s 4 are each amended to read
30 as follows:
31 Notwithstanding any of the provisions of this chapter, any city,
32 county, or other political subdivision of this state, or any state
33 agency, may regulate the operation of nonhighway vehicles on public
34 lands, waters, and other properties under its jurisdiction, and on
35 streets, roads, or highways within its boundaries by adopting
36 regulations or ordinances of its governing body, provided such
37 regulations are not less stringent than the provisions of this chapter.
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1 However, the legislative body of a city with a population of ((less))
2 fewer than three thousand persons, or the legislative body of a county
3 with a population of no more than five thousand persons, may, by
4 ordinance, designate a street, road, or highway within its boundaries
5 to be suitable for use by off-road vehicles. The legislative body of
6 a county with a population of more than five thousand persons may, by
7 ordinance, designate a road or highway within its boundaries to be
8 suitable for use by off-road vehicles if the road or highway is a
9 direct connection between a city with a population of ((less)) fewer
10 than three thousand persons and an off-road vehicle recreation
11 facility.
12 Sec. 3. RCW 46.09.480 and 2004 c 105 s 4 are each amended to read
13 as follows:
14 (1) No person may operate a nonhighway vehicle in such a way as to
15 endanger human life.
16 (2)(a) No person shall operate a nonhighway vehicle in such a way
17 as to run down or harass any wildlife or animal, nor carry, transport,
18 or convey any loaded weapon in or upon, nor hunt from, any nonhighway
19 vehicle except by permit issued by the director of fish and wildlife
20 under RCW 77.32.237((: PROVIDED, That)); however, it shall not be
21 unlawful to carry, transport, or convey a loaded pistol in or upon a
22 nonhighway vehicle if the person complies with the terms and conditions
23 of chapter 9.41 RCW.
24 (((3))) (b) For the purposes of this ((section)) subsection, "hunt"
25 means any effort to kill, injure, capture, or purposely disturb a wild
26 animal or bird.
27 (3) No person may operate a nonhighway vehicle on public lands
28 unless the area is designated by the land manager as open for
29 nonhighway vehicle use, permission has been established, and the land
30 manager has identified that all proper permitting, engineering, and
31 environmental impacts have been addressed or mitigated. This
32 subsection includes the creation, building, and development of a trail
33 or system of trails on public land, in either an organized or
34 unorganized manner, for the purpose of nonhighway vehicle travel.
35 Driving a nonhighway vehicle on lands that are designated as closed to
36 nonhighway vehicle travel by the land manager is, for the purposes of
37 this subsection, considered a trail building activity.
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1 (4) A violation of subsection (1) or (2) of this section is a gross
2 misdemeanor.
3 (5) A violation of subsection (3) of this section is penalized as
4 follows:
5 (a) A first offense is a misdemeanor with a five hundred dollar
6 fine;
7 (b) A second offense is a misdemeanor with a two thousand dollar
8 fine; and
9 (c) Any offense beyond a second offense is a felony with a five
10 thousand dollar fine.
11 Sec. 4. RCW 46.09.490 and 1979 ex.s. c 136 s 42 are each amended
12 to read as follows:
13 (1) Except as provided in RCW ((46.09.120(2) and 46.09.130 as now
14 or hereafter amended)) 46.09.470(2) and 46.09.480, a violation of the
15 provisions of this chapter is a traffic infraction for which a penalty
16 of not less than twenty-five dollars may be imposed.
17 (2) In addition to the penalties provided in subsection (1) of this
18 section, the owner and/or the operator of any nonhighway vehicle shall
19 be liable for any damage to property including damage to trees, shrubs,
20 or growing crops injured as the result of travel by the nonhighway
21 vehicle. The owner of such property may recover from the person
22 responsible three times the amount of damage.
23 Sec. 5. RCW 46.09.380 and 2001 c 253 s 3 are each amended to read
24 as follows:
25 The provisions of this chapter shall be enforced by all persons
26 having the authority to enforce any of the laws of this state,
27 including, without limitation, officers of the state patrol, county
28 sheriffs and their deputies, all municipal law enforcement officers
29 within their respective jurisdictions, fish and wildlife officers,
30 state park rangers, and those employees of the department of natural
31 resources designated by the commissioner of public lands under RCW
32 ((43.30.310)) 43.12.065, 76.04.035, and 76.04.045, regardless of land
33 ownership and jurisdiction.
34 Sec. 6. RCW 46.09.400 and 2010 c 161 s 215 are each amended to
35 read as follows:
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1 The department shall:
2 (1) Issue registrations and temporary ORV use permits for off-road
3 vehicles;
4 (2) Issue ((decals)) front and rear license plates for off-road
5 vehicles((. The decals serve the same function as license plates for
6 vehicles registered under chapter 46.16 RCW)); and
7 (3) Charge a fee for each ((decal)) license plate covering the
8 actual cost of the ((decal)) license plate.
9 Sec. 7. RCW 46.09.410 and 2010 c 161 s 218 are each amended to
10 read as follows:
11 (1) The application for an original ORV registration has the same
12 requirements as described for original vehicle registrations in RCW
13 46.16A.040 and must be accompanied by the annual off-road vehicle
14 license fee required under RCW 46.17.350, in addition to any other fees
15 or taxes due for the application.
16 (2) The application for renewal of an ORV registration has the same
17 requirements as described for the renewal of vehicle registrations in
18 RCW 46.16A.110 and must be accompanied by the annual off-road vehicle
19 license fee required under RCW 46.17.350, in addition to any other fees
20 or taxes due for the application.
21 (3) The annual ORV registration is valid for one year and may be
22 renewed each subsequent year as prescribed by the department.
23 (4) A person who acquires an off-road vehicle that has an ORV
24 registration must:
25 (a) Apply to the department, county auditor or other agent, or
26 subagent appointed by the director for a transfer of the ORV
27 registration within fifteen days of taking possession of the off-road
28 vehicle; and
29 (b) Pay the ORV registration transfer fee required under RCW
30 46.17.410, in addition to any other fees or taxes due at the time of
31 application.
32 (5) The department shall issue an ORV registration, ((decals))
33 license plates, and tabs upon receipt of:
34 (a) A properly completed application for an original ORV
35 registration; and
36 (b) The payment of all fees and taxes due at the time of
37 application.
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1 (6) The ORV registration must be carried on the vehicle for which
2 it was issued at all times during its operation in this state.
3 (7) Off-road vehicle ((decals)) license plates must be affixed to
4 the front and rear of the off-road vehicle in a manner prescribed by
5 the department.
6 (8) Unless exempt under RCW 46.09.420, any out-of-state operator of
7 an off-road vehicle, when operating in this state, must comply with
8 this chapter. If an ORV registration is required under this chapter,
9 the out-of-state operator must obtain an ORV registration and ((decal))
10 license plate or a temporary ORV use permit.
11 Sec. 8. RCW 46.09.420 and 2010 c 161 s 217 are each amended to
12 read as follows:
13 ORV registrations and ((decals)) license plates are required under
14 this chapter except for the following:
15 (1) Off-road vehicles owned and operated by the United States,
16 another state, or a political subdivision of the United States or
17 another state.
18 (2) Off-road vehicles owned and operated by this state, a
19 municipality, or a political subdivision of this state or the
20 municipality.
21 (3) Off-road vehicles operated on agricultural lands owned or
22 leased by the off-road vehicle owner or operator.
23 (4) Off-road vehicles owned by a resident of another state that
24 have a valid ORV use permit or vehicle registration issued in
25 accordance with the laws of the other state. This exemption applies
26 only to the extent that a similar exemption or privilege is granted
27 under the laws of that state.
28 (5) Off-road vehicles while being used for search and rescue
29 purposes under the authority or direction of an appropriate search and
30 rescue or law enforcement agency.
31 (6) Vehicles registered under chapter ((46.16)) 46.16A RCW or, in
32 the case of nonresidents, vehicles validly registered for operation
33 over public highways in the jurisdiction of the owner's residence.
34 Sec. 9. RCW 46.09.440 and 2010 c 161 s 216 are each amended to
35 read as follows:
36 Except as provided in this chapter, a person shall not operate an
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1 off-road vehicle within this state unless the off-road vehicle has been
2 assigned an ORV registration or temporary ORV use permit and displays
3 current ((decals)) license plates and tabs as required under this
4 chapter.
5 Sec. 10. RCW 46.68.045 and 2010 c 161 s 822 are each amended to
6 read as follows:
7 The moneys collected by the department for ORV registrations,
8 temporary ORV use permits, ((decals)) license plates, and tabs under
9 this chapter and chapter 46.17 RCW must be distributed from time to
10 time, but at least once a year, in the following manner:
11 (1) The department shall retain enough money to cover expenses
12 incurred in the administration of this chapter. The amount kept by the
13 department must never exceed eighteen percent of fees collected.
14 (2) The remaining moneys must be distributed for off-road vehicle
15 recreation facilities by the board in accordance with RCW
16 46.09.520(2)(d)(ii)(A).
17 Sec. 11. RCW 77.15.690 and 1998 c 190 s 64 are each amended to
18 read as follows:
19 (1) Upon any conviction of any violation of this chapter or RCW
20 46.09.480(2), the department may revoke any license, tag, or stamp, or
21 other permit involved in the violation or held by the person convicted,
22 in addition to other penalties provided by law.
23 (2) If the department orders that a license, tag, stamp, or other
24 permit be revoked, that order is effective upon entry of the order and
25 any such revoked license, tag, stamp, or other permit is void as a
26 result of such order of revocation. The department shall order such
27 license, tag, stamp, or other permit turned over to the department, and
28 shall order the person not to acquire a replacement or duplicate for
29 the remainder of the period for which the revoked license, tag, stamp,
30 or other permit would have been valid. During this period when a
31 license is revoked, the person is subject to punishment under this
32 chapter. If the person appeals the sentence by the court, the
33 revocation shall be effective during the appeal.
34 (3) If an existing license, tag, stamp, or other permit is voided
35 and revoked under this chapter, the department and its agents shall not
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1 be required to refund or restore any fees, costs, or money paid for the
2 license, nor shall any person have any right to bring a collateral
3 appeal under chapter 34.05 RCW to attack the department order.
4 NEW SECTION. Sec. 12. Sections 1 and 2 of this act take effect
5 March 1, 2012."
6 Correct the title.
EFFECT: (1) Establishes the penalty of a gross misdemeanor for a
person that operates a nonhighway vehicle on public lands unless the
area is designed by the land manager as for use and the land manager
has indicated that all permitting, engineering, and environmental
impacts have been addressed or mitigated.
(2) Establishes penalties for a person that: Operates a nonhighway
vehicle as to endanger human life or rundown or harass any wildlife or
animal; or carries, transports, or conveys a loaded weapon from any
nonhighway vehicle without a permit issued by the Director of Fish and
Wildlife. It is not unlawful if the person complies with terms and
conditions in state law. A first offense is a misdemeanor with a five
hundred dollar fine; a second offense is a misdemeanor with a two
thousand dollar fine; and any offense beyond a second offense is a
felony with a five thousand dollar fine.
(3) Upon any conviction of these violations, Department of Fish and
Wildlife may revoke any license, tag, stamp, or other permits.
(4) All enforcement officers have the authority to enforce
provisions regardless of land ownership and jurisdiction.
(5) Department of Licensing must issue front and rear license
plates for off-road vehicles and charge a fee that covers the actual
cost of the license plate. The owner must affix the plates to the offroad
vehicles as prescribed by Department of Licensing.
(6) ORV license plates are not required for off-road vehicles:
Owned and operated by a governmental entity; operated on agricultural
lands owned or leased by the off-road vehicle owner or operator; owned
by a resident of another state that have a ORV permit or registration
from that state; used for search and rescue; and, for nonresidents,
registered in the jurisdiction of the owner's residence.
(7) The money collected above the cost of the license plates must
be distributed to the off-road vehicle accounts at least once a year.
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Originally Posted by Oregon80

-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.

-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby Wrench » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:25 pm

Screaming Toylet wrote:I have many reservations concerning this Bill due to the high potential of irresponsible users and little available enforcement. I believe that this type of activity works o.k. in North Idaho because of the relatively low numbers of users per area. However, in Washington I suspect there is a high likelihood of hoards of quad users and negative interactions between quads and "cars" as well as quads and campers. There is a good reason why quads are not allowed on roads in the Umatilla and Wenatchee National Forest.

Hypothetical situation…

Say you and your family are tooling around in your rig as a licensed driver with liability insurance. All of a sudden a person on a quad smacks into you hard. This person never passed any operator’s test or has DOT approved tires legally drives their quad everywhere (as they do in rural parts of Idaho) because he/she has a suspended license and cannot afford liability insurance. What are your options… your rigs damaged, some of your family need medical attention, and you need a rental while your getting everyone fixed. This scenario also applies to liquorcycles currently running around Washington.


Quite frankly, I would PREFER it if the already unlicensed and uninsured drivers were on quads instead of cars. Would be alot less damage to other vehicles they hit.
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Postby Grumpy » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:04 pm

Just heard this didn't get off the ground as foisted off in my last post :)
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Originally Posted by Oregon80

-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.

-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby Grumpy » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:03 pm

Tod Peterson from WOHVA is aparently going to meet with Delvin, Upthegrove, and Armstrong on this bill to see what can be hashed out. I'll let you know what I hear!!
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Originally Posted by Oregon80

-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.

-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby Grumpy » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:06 pm

From Dave Upthegrove to one of his constituants regarding the amendment put forward:




Jeff,

Due to an administrative mistake, the wrong language was included in my amendment. The amendment was withdrawn immediately and never considered.

There will be a couple of suggested page/line amendments to the Armstrong striker. One proposed amendment will increase the penalties for illegally riding in areas which are currently illegal to ride (i.e. public lands not designated for ORV use)…and one requiring license plates. These are ideas brought forward by a coalition of organizations such as the backcountry hunters, trout unlimited, and conservation northwest, in response to the growing problem of damage to public lands due to illegal ORV use. 99% of the ORV users are not a problem—and I wish we had more developed areas for people to ride…I love the sport and the sense of community it provides for clubs and families. Illegal operators give the good ORV users a bad name, and many of the ORV enthusiasts I’ve talked to (and who testified in committee) had no problem with improved enforcement measures to go after the few “bad applesâ€
Dave

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Originally Posted by Oregon80

-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.

-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby dirk » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:05 pm

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SB 5366 was introduced again in the current legislative session. Click HERE for a direct link to the WOHVA SB 5366 white paper...

[quote]Washington Off Highway Vehicle Alliance
http://www.wohva.org

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WOHVA SB 5366 White Paper as of 2/12/2012

As you likely know, the Washington Off Highway Vehicle Alliance (WOHVA) was created under the direction of the American Motorcycle Association (AMA), the National Off-Highway Vehicle Conservation Council (NOHVCC), Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC) and the Blue Ribbon Coalition (BRC) to represent all WA Offroad Vehicle users in a one-for-all and all-for-one manner.

WOHVA is the only state wide coalition in WA representing every type of motorized off road use except over-the-snow machines with input from every OHV Positive club, organization and business that wants to come together and speak with one voice.

WOHVA even allows individual membership for OHV users who do not belong to one of the member clubs, organizations or businesses.

While WOHVA supports the intent of SB5366 (authorizing ATV use on certain roads in an attempt to gain ATV access to the Gifford Pinchot National Forest roads) the current concerns with this Bill’s specifics as of 2/12/2012 have resulted in a WOHVA decision to kill this Bill.

WOHVA will continue to work together with all WA OHV users to get a good clean Bill in the future that does not contain the serious problems in the current SB 5366 that threaten existing OHV opportunities.

As of 2/12/2012 the problems with SB 5366 are:

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[*]With the new wording in Section 3 of SB 5366 it may in fact, remove existing non-street licensed access for dirt bikes, ATVs, off road only 4WDs and side-by-sides (i.e. all OHVs) in the dozen or so counties that already allow their use on specific roads without the long list of equipment, insurance and licensing required by this Bill. These local jurisdictions have done this for a variety of reasons and accept the current equipment, licensing, and even liability without imposing additional costs on the OHV user. Even the local LEOs appreciate the additional eyes and ears on the ground. Many counties may re-think their existing OHV Positive ordinances because of threatened lawsuits from anti-OHV groups that will undoubtedly occur. This violates WOHVA’s one-for-all and all-for-one philosophy.


[*]It excludes the fast growing number of OHV users with ATVs up to 65 inches wide (side-by-side users) from being able to use roads where ATVs (with additional equipment, insurance and licensing!) will be allowed if SB 5366 passes. Some of those side-by-sides are 50 inches or less in width but do not have "handlebars." This violates WOHVA’s one-for-all and all-for-one philosophy.


[*]In Section 2 the Bill creates a litany of equipment requirements for ATV’s to comply with and makes the owner of the ATV sign their own Statement of Compliance to the equipment requirements under penalty of law. It is unlikely that the average ATV owner would have the specialized background to knowingly confirm compliance with the seven applicable sections of RCW46.37. Since the penalty for incorrectly signing the statement of compliance is a gross misdemeanor, if prosecuted to the letter of the law, anyone making an error regarding this very technical compliance could land in jail even just because they were well intended but not well educated.


[*]Sections 4 -7 creates additional fees and definitions that ATV owners will need to pay and comply with.


[*]Section 8.2 creates a new fine of $500 for operating any OHV in a closed area, which will be very problematic with the new USFS Travel Management Plans that are very hard to decipher and are changing constantly.


[*]Section 12 takes the plate money from the conversions and gives it to counties to spend as part of mixed vehicle use studies. That could result in the funding of studies to justify prohibiting the very mixed vehicle use this Bill is supposed to allow.


[*]Sections 13-15 state that none of the money from the new plates could be used to facilitate ORV use and exempts them from purchasing ORV stickers. Therefore ATVs plated under this law would not be required to contribute to the Nonhighway and Offroad Vehicle Activities (NOVA) fund that supports OHV opportunities in WA State.


[*]There does not appear to be anything in this Bill that prevents the USFS from considering the converted ATVs to still be "nonhighway" vehicles. Without this, Section 8 could prohibit ATV use on roads on DNR/USFS or any other public land where "nonhighway" vehicles are not allowed on the road, even with their new “license plates.â€
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Postby Grumpy » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:11 pm

Tha e-mails be flyin' :rules


TU and some others just plain got too much in this. We need to take a certain Senator out for a ride and have a talk...
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Postby Grumpy » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:11 pm

So, this is headed to House Committee, and Klippert is on said Committee. I have sent him the WOHVA paper posted above. Hope to hell it does some good. Delvin informs me that he is meeting with House members on this, so, as he also has the WOHVA info, we'll see...
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SB5366 update

Postby dirk » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:20 pm

Your quick response to WOHVA and CLOUT alerts has made a difference & Olympia has heard your voice!

Yesterday, the members of the Legislature reached out to WOHVA to find a way to save SB5366. A meeting was held today in Olympia and significant changes to SB5366 were discussed.

If those PRO-OHV changes are ALL incorporated, then SB5366 may become a bill worthy of support by the entire OHV community. If not, it is still an anti-OHV bill that needs to be put down. We expect to find out more tomorrow, when the amendment language is provided to us.
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Postby Grumpy » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:04 am

Maybe some better results! Committee hearing is tomorrow, 2-24, and, as I said, Rep. Klippert is on the committee. Let's get on him about this. There was a meeting yesterday about this. Seems that, due to pressure from WOHVA and a good number of folks getting after their legislators on this, the House reached out to WOHVA for some conversation. Tod Peterson says it went pretty well, and is guardedly optimistic that we may be able to salvage this Bill. Again, please make your thoughts known to our Legislators as soon as you can!

Should this pass as hoped, the hassle of having to trailer to the trail head will mostly go away. No more tickets for non street legal rigs on the roads between camp and trail head, if I have it right.
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Postby Grumpy » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:09 pm

Senator just called, and I think he's starting to feel a bit under the gun, mostly budget wise! Sounded a mite harried. The one big deal is the State Patrol. They're not getting behind this at all. In fact, they seem to be stonewalling it. As I said, keep fingers crossed on all this. I have other interests with him, but this isn't the place for that. Whole different ball game...
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Postby Grumpy » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:59 pm

No confirmation yet, but this may be DOA... :|
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Postby Grumpy » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:20 pm

Significantly amended and passed by the House Transportation Committee.
Still stinks.

The closed unless designated open language added to the $500 fine section puts most user built trails at risk.

Since it has major changes since passed by the Senate, it should be returned for the Senate to vote on it again.

That will not happen unless we push hard for it.

Ask your State Senator to bring back SB5366 for another Senate vote.

Tell them that it is very different that what they voted on and was written so hastily that it contains significant errors.

(From Tod Peterson)
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Postby dirk » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:46 pm

On FRI 02/24, the House Transportation Committee passed 5366 with the Shea striker amendment...click on the following links to watch video of the committee hearing:

5366 bill reading 00:40:40 - 00:52:45

5366 testimony 02:00:05 - 02:31:20

5366 committee vote 02:54:45 - 03:03:19

Click HERE for a complete 5366 bill info/history

WOHVA still has a few concerns that need to be addressed.
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Postby Grumpy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:22 pm

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Postby dirk » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:57 pm

If you oppose 5366 as currently written, then do this now...not tomorrow...asap!

[quote]You have done a great job the last couple of days with your messages to STOP SB5366. This bill is attempting to get something for one group of OHV users at the expense of other OHV users, an action that WOHVA cannot support as it is NOT good for ALL OHV users.

Your Legislators are taking a break as this alert is going out and will be watching their email closely until they reconvene on the Floor later this evening. Please contact them once more DURING THIS BREAK and send them the simple message below. It is vital that you make your voice heard on this important issue WITHIN MINUTES OF RECEIVING THIS ALERT!

Do NOT use regular Internet email as that is very unlikely to get to your legislator in time. Use this link:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx

Enter your voting address into the form on that site and be sure the Legislative Box is checked. A map with your personal legislators will appear on the screen. Please click on one of your Representatives. Next CLICK on the green colored "E-mail" hot link right below your legislator's phone numbers on the web page. {DO} check the box sending this to ALL of your personal legislators. Enter the 4 digit Bill # {5366} in the box provided on the linked site and check the {AGAINST} box. Enter {Against 2SSB5366} in the Message Subject box just above where you enter your detailed message

SIMPLE MESSAGE TO SEND NOW! (You can just copy and paste it into the form on the hot linked site)

Please take a look at the Pro and Con facts about what this piece of legislation does and does not do, by reading the quick summary using this link:

http://www.wohva.org/content.aspx?page_ ... _id=111263

I also understand that amendments not yet published for review are waiting in the wings to be brought up on the Floor. IN SHORT - I do NOT want this Bill passed “in order to find out what is in itâ€
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Postby Grumpy » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:50 pm

Missed the cutoff. May still be workarounds that can be used...
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SB5366 update!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby dirk » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:17 pm

The latest update on SB5366...

Thank you so much for your quick responses to the prior CLOUT Alerts! It was very important that all legislators were kept informed as things changed in Olympia over the past couple of days.

Many of you have asked to be informed of exactly what has changed since the 2/27/12 WOHVA White Paper was published.

Please Note SB 5366 has NOT YET BEEN AMENDED so the 2/27/12 WOHVA White Paper still reflects the Bill language now in existence as passed out of the House Transportation Committee.

We do hope that ALL ATV and Side-by-Side USERS REALIZE this bill will impact them WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO USE ROADS as it requires all recreational ATVs to be registered and to purchase a license plate for $30/yr plus all the usual local and other fees added to license plates in addition to their $18/yr ORV Stickers, unless they are going to use their ATV only on private land. WOHVA is not objecting to this as the WOHVA representatives from the ATV community are currently supporting these additional fees for ATV and Side-by-Side users. You can make your preferences known to WOHVA by using the Contact Us feature on the www.wohva.org website.

The primary thing changing is removal of the state wide Closed Unless Designated Open law that will change IF 5366 E 2S SB AMH TR H4368.6 is heard and adopted.

Please remember that an Amendment 5366 E 2S SB AMH TR H4368.6 has been written but NOT YET HEARD OR ADOPTED. WOHVA has conditionally withdrawn opposition to SB 5366 IF it is amended to 5366 E 2S SB AMH TR H4368.6 and therefore still opposes the existing language passed by the House Transportation Committee.

That is why the suggested message to legislators in the most recent CLOUT Alert was "WOHVA and I are NOT opposing 5366-S2.E AMH SHEA H4588.1 as released for review today."

That message informed your legislators that WOHVA opposes the language currently in SB 5366 but WOHVA will withdraw opposition if 5366-S2.E AMH SHEA H4588.1 (now 5366 E 2S SB AMH TR H4368.6 due to some additional edits) is adopted.

NOTE - Under the bill passed by the House Transportation Committee, the legislature’s own website interprets and confirms that WOHVA was correctly interpreting Section 16. "Section 16 adds a new section to chapter 46.09 RCW which provides that a person may not operate a non-highway vehicle on public lands unless the area is designated as open for such use. A violation is a traffic infraction." i.e. it would implement a state-wide CLOSED Unless specifically Designated Open Policy.

With Amendment 5366 E 2S SB AMH TR H4368.6 the legislative staff's interpretation has changed to "Limits operation of non-highway vehicles on public lands to operation consistent with local land management requirements and to roads, trails, and designated areas."

WORDS DO MATTER!

Thanks again for your quick responses to the CLOUT Alerts!

The WOHVA 2/27/12 White Paper explaining the key points of the existing Bill language (NOT YET AMENDED) is at:

http://www.wohva.org/content.aspx?page_ ... _id=111263

You can read the details of this Bill using the hotlink below to access ALL the detailed information about this legislation online at:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary ... &year=2011
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Postby dirk » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:37 pm

There is still a chance it could come back up for a vote...

Upthegrove's amendment to HB2190 was adopted and HB2190 was passed by the House.
HB2190 now moves to the Senate. While it is not cast in stone by final passage, the adoption of this amendment facilitates bringing SB5366 back to the House floor.

To be acceptable, SB5366 still needs the most recent striker amendment adopted.
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