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"Hover" - closed....the reason behind it

Postby Peanut » Fri May 21, 2010 10:16 am

Well it finally happened. The land owned by Kennewick General Hospital located next to Hover Park in Finley, WA is now closed to the public. BUT.... NOT because of ORV's, garbage or greenies.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/04/30/1168810/kennewick-hospital-board-to-close.html

KENNEWICK — The Kennewick Public Hospital District voted unanimously Thursday to temporarily close a large piece of land near Hover Park from public use in the wake of the accidental shooting of a 7-year-old boy.

Matthew Cardenas of Pasco was eating lunch in the park with his family in mid-March when he was hit by a stray bullet believed to have been fired from the KGH property off Ayers Road.

A slug later was removed from the boy's thigh at KGH.

Hospital board members said the 8,900-acre parcel -- which has been open for public use -- is a popular spot for hiking, horseback riding, off-roading and recreational target shooting.

But the incident with the boy wasn't the first time a bullet has gone astray, leading board members to worry about their legal responsibilities to people injured in accidental shootings.

"If someone fires a gun and someone is hurt out there, it becomes our liability," said board Vice President Wanda Briggs.

Chuck Barnes, KGH's executive director of support services, said the board discussed closing the land four or five years ago, but decided to leave it open for public use.

KGH CEO Glen Marshall said he has heard arguments from both sides of the issue.

"I have had horse riders tell me they've had bullets fly by their heads," Marshall said. "I've had doctors tell me they don't want us to shut it because they go out there and shoot too. There are all sides to this."

Continued complaints about irresponsible shooting led the board to decide Thursday to post signs forbidding trespassers and discharge of firearms.

The land will be reopened if the hospital district can find a group such as a gun club to lease part of the land and manage it as a shooting range and outdoor recreation spot. Such a group would have to carry its own liability policy to cover injuries.

Board members agreed they want to allow the public to use the land, but in a way that's safer, more structured, and doesn't put the hospital district at risk.

"A lot of people go out there and shoot," said board member Rick Reil. "There has to be some way to still provide opportunities to people and still satisfy liability requirements."



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At this point we have heard that there has been a gate put up at Ayers Rd, but we are unsure if they are putting up fencing to remove access from the Hover park side. Anyone local to the area just calls the whole area "Hover". Trashy and I have been out there numerous times with our truck, rodeo and quads. I knew the area was huge - I didn't know it was 8,900 acres. This is quite the loss. The area has a little bit of everything to offer trails, hills, sand, beaches and was a great area for families for orv use, horse back riding, hiking and target shooting which is the most common use. There has been discussion many times that we should put together a work party to go clean up the mess left by shooters and garbage dumpers, but so far everyone has been too busy on other projects to put one together and do the footwork to find out who to talk to about the land owned by KGH.

My biggest issue is though, I have a hard time believing that a little boy sitting in Hover Park (actual) to get shot by a "stray bullet" that was shot from the KGH land off Ayers rd. I could be wrong, because we don't know all of the actual details. But the most common areas people use for shooting are right off Ayers rd and they are shooting into the hillside. Taking a guess, I would say there is at least a mile (by the crow flies) between the most common shooting area and Hover Park actual - and there is a HUGE HILL in between!!
Now don't get me wrong, a 7 year old getting shot is terrible. But there are things with this story that just don't add up, and that upsets me. They closed the land for liability reasons - that just tells me that they are scared of a lawsuit from someone who supposedly wasn't even on KGH land and doesn't know for 100% sure where the bullet came from. I guess this means that if I get shot while wheeling at Naches during hunting season that I can go after the forest service and Washington state because I was on their land.

:evil:

I can understand KGH's concerns......but why not investigate things a little further before just shutting everything down, and why does it have to be closed to everyone?? Why not just make it no shooting?? Why not have a certain area for people who want to shoot and make sure that "stray bullet's" wont end up in other areas?

Sigh.........goodbye 8,900 acres of fun
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Postby iaccocca » Fri May 21, 2010 11:13 am

This is a rant I wrote back when they first decided to post the land. I thought better of posting it then, but I think I'll share it now. I'm sure I won't offend anybody...
You know what I think? People (assholes) go out and shoot. They leave their brass, they leave their hulls, and they leave behind all of the cool targets they brought out to shoot up… TVs, computers, abandoned cars. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a shooter. I’m the best armed pacifist you know. I have hunting shotguns and rifles. I have cool pistols, military hardware and stuff that just keeps me safe. I have guns that are fun to shoot and have no other purpose. But, my brass comes home with me, I pick up every spent shot gun cartridge (visit my shop, you will see them) and my targets are paper and I bring them home to brag on (not… I’m not much of a shot, but they come home.) Yeah, it is fun to shoot $h!t; try an ice block sometimes. But, if it ain’t going away on its own, bring it home.
And the yahoos out there shooting things up at KGH / Hover aren’t safe. At least two people have been shot and that includes a kid. I’ve stopped hunting the designated hunting area out there because I have had to cut my hunt short twice to avoid me or my dog getting shot. I’m just saying, if you had that few teeth left you think you would take care of them.
If I was on KGH’s board I would have voted to close it down. The users seem to be irresponsible and there seems to be a risk of liability that leaves the landowners at risk.
So what does this mean to us wheelers? Already some land was shut down out there because of tire dumping. Now land is closed because of shooting yahoos. These are basically the low-land version of what is costing us our trails in the mountains; guns instead of 4x4’s. We need to fight this like our Jeeps (Toyotas, Broncos…) depend on it, because they do… at least the way we like to use them.
Some might remember that there was a road that ran behind Thompson Hill. It is road blocked now, mostly because of the irresponsible shooters that used the area for plinking and target practice. Owens road is south of Kennewick. Access to it is much easier because of the completion of SR-395 which gives direct access to Finley (a connection :shoulder shrug:?) Now it is lousy with shooting lanes that are littered with brass, ‘targets’, etc.
And, you gotta know, we are lumped in with these folks by those that don’t shoot, by those that don’t wheel.
Will it cost us? Eventually we will only be able to shoot our pistols at the indoor range (and Hole in the Wall has already gotten every cent they are ever going to see from me.) Eventually we will have to pay to wheel. Not just a $5 DNR vehicle fee or such, but paying to wheel in private parks on private land.
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Postby Peanut » Fri May 21, 2010 2:25 pm

I'm glad you decided to post that up Lee. I like going target shooting myself. We did it as a family when I was growing up. But my dad taught us that we leave the area cleaner than we found it - pretty much just like for wheeling. The brass went back in it's cartridges and our targets went in a garbage bag. My niece enjoyed shooting so much she got into competitive skeet shooting while she was in high school.

It just makes me wonder if this will mean that the irresponsible shooters that have used the Ayers Rd area for so long will move to the Hover park side - which will be worse because there are houses on that side and the amount of people that use the lower area.

This just really sucks because it's a great area close to town. I still think offering to do a clean up of the mess that is out there is a good idea.

I'm very interested in how they are going to close off that whole area. I may just have to take a drive out there and see. I would like to know the boundary between KGH land and Hover park.

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Postby iaccocca » Fri May 21, 2010 3:04 pm

Peanut wrote:I would like to know the boundary between KGH land and Hover park.


Me too. Last time out we stayed off of the hill because we did not know what the line was.
My places to plink is shrinking and I stay hush about them because they are getting trashed. I've been out shooting one day and have come back the next to find garbage dumped and shot up; now they associate it with me. :evil: :curse: :banghead
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Postby Grumpy » Fri May 21, 2010 3:21 pm

Time to meet with KGH staff. Peanut, how old it that article? The link seems to have expired...
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Postby Peanut » Fri May 21, 2010 3:56 pm

That was published 4/30/10. Try the link again Grumpy, I fixed it.


Here's another one....

[color=Indigo]http://www.keprtv.com/news/93997489.html


No More Shooting Practice on KGH Finley Property


Story Published: May 17, 2010 at 5:20 PM PDT
By Lena Vargas
Video
FINLEY-- KEPR broke the story of a stray bullet that hit a six-year-old in Hover Park. But we're not done taking action for you.

Monday Action News learned target practice on the other side of the park will not be allowed. Kennewick General Hospital owns the Finley property and says "no trespassing" signs will go up by the end of this month.

The Benton County Sheriff's Department believes the bullet that hit the child came from the KGH property on the other side of the hill.

Deputies are happy with the decision, but also would have been ok with shooting, if there was a proper "backstop" to catch the stray bullets. That was an idea Captain Steve Keane shared when the boy was first hit.

"It's always nice for people to have a place for people to go shoot their guns. But if they're going to use that land it needs to be regulated a bit more so that it's safer for the community,â€

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Postby Grumpy » Fri May 21, 2010 4:14 pm

I don't think I saw it in our paper, either...
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Originally Posted by Oregon80

-By driving a Scout, you my friend have recycled, which is more than those pansy Prius owners can say.

-I love driving a piece of history that was nearly lost.

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Postby iaccocca » Fri May 21, 2010 4:22 pm

I saw it on KNDU.
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Postby LiftedZuki » Fri May 21, 2010 8:54 pm

Sucks, was hoping you found out that it wasn't closed but :(

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Postby Sveta » Sat May 22, 2010 9:14 am

If I remember correctly, KGH board said that they will allow any club, business, etc taking over the organization and control of the shooting area or something like that. Take the liability out of their hands.

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Postby Peanut » Sun May 23, 2010 11:31 am

Yes, if a gun club or someone would like to lease part of the land to put in a shooting range and outdoor recreation spot, KGH would be willing to lease the land to them - under the condition that who ever leases the land carries their own liability coverage.


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